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1 hour ago, Kilmatar said:

AFAIR MX6 was announced to be alfa/beta released in a second half of February.

It's only 4 days left. Is there is any news?

did it say which year?

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41 minutes ago, Tony said:

did it say which year?

Nope... You are right.. I'm too fast, sorry ((

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On 2/27/2020 at 7:06 AM, MaxthonJeff said:

Here is a presentation I gave at CoinGeek, talking about Maxthon 6 browser and other ideas.

 

Sorry to say this @MaxthonJeff, but from what you've said in the video, it seems you are not trying to develop the best browser for people anymore, you are simply making this a playground for crypto schemes. I've spend 30522 hours using Maxthon (that's almost 3.5years of real time) over the past few years. Started using it since the era of MyIE2 actually. But in the past years the development cycle of MX has slowed down to almost a full stop. Simple bugs persist tens of version and most requested features and functionalities are ignored. There is no innovation, no interest in upping the security, compatibility or speed of the browser anymore and now, by introducing even more unneeded gadgets,tools, wallets and protocols to MX6 coupled with using "heavily customized core" you are again sinking into the depths of unamageable dependencies, that will only slow down the browser and annoy the users.

Don't get me wrong, I LOVE maxthon. As i've said above, i've been loyal to maxthon for well over a decade now. But you are simply ignoring what people want from you and that is costing you your users that are migrating over to Vivaldi, Brave and other similar browsers that actually care about opinions of their users and let them shape the browsers.

You are a visionary, nobody can take that from you. But perhaps you should think about your users in the first place and create a product they want to use. And then, only then, make the bloatware something that can be added by plugins and not as a main feature.

That's my five cents to the topic.

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fixed a typo, tagged MaxthonJeff
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On 2/27/2020 at 5:37 AM, sajphon said:

Sorry to say this @MaxthonJeff, but from what you've said in the video, it seems you are not trying to develop the best browser for people anymore, you are simply making this a playground for crypto schemes. I've spend 30522 hours using Maxthon (that's almost 3.5years of real time) over the past few years. Started using it since the era of MyIE2 actually. But in the past years the development cycle of MX has slowed down to almost a full stop. Simple bugs persist tens of version and most requested features and functionalities are ignored. There is no innovation, no interest in upping the security, compatibility or speed of the browser anymore and now, by introducing even more unneeded gadgets,tools, wallets and protocols to MX6 coupled with using "heavily customized core" you are again sinking into the depths of unamageable dependencies, that will only slow down the browser and annoy the users.

Don't get me wrong, I LOVE maxthon. As i've said above, i've been loyal to maxthon for well over a decade now. But you are simply ignoring what people want from you and that is costing you your users that are migrating over to Vivaldi, Brave and other similar browsers that actually care about opinions of their users and let them shape the browsers.

You are a visionary, nobody can take that from you. But perhaps you should think about your users in the first place and create a product they want to use. And then, only then, make the bloatware something that can be added by plugins and not as a main feature.

That's my five cents to the topic.

Sorry buddy. But it's never the case. I created maxthon to please myself in the first place and there are other people have same taste got attracted. I won't say your understanding about blockchain is wrong, but it's certainly different than mine. I understand there are a lot of people who don't want changes and 100% accept it. But Maxthon is all about embracing new technology and new ideas. It's what drives me continue to build.

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9 minutes ago, MaxthonJeff said:

Sorry buddy. But it's never the case. I created maxthon to please myself in the first place and there are other people have same taste got attracted. I won't say your understanding about blockchain is wrong, but it's certainly different than mine. I understand there are a lot of people who don't want changes and 100% accept it. But Maxthon is all about embracing new technology and new ideas. It's what drives me continue to build.

"I created maxthon to please myself in the first place"... now you made me sad. With a single superficial sentence you wrote off all the years I've promoted maxthon left and right to a simple "I don't care about the users, all I care about is myself". You had chance here to say something that would bring the community together, instead you did this.

You know, I've defended Maxthon when it didn't work properly in MX3, I've defended Maxthon when it cheated in html5 test and I've spent countless hours arguing with Niels Leenheer about whether it's fair to simply remove maxthon from all the test results, I've defended Maxthon all the way until now when it came to every tough decision, every misstep when there were Nitro tryouts and unfunctional mobile browser versions, I did it all because of loyality and belief that Maxthon was different because you guys cared. But I guess I was wrong.

And to mention the embracing of new technology and new ideas. Maxthon didn't innovate or bring new technology in years unfortunately. It became stale and outdated, so if embracing innovation is your goal, you have unfortunately failed.

I wish you good luck with pleasing yourself, because you have lost me.

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Whoa. There are a lot of words there and it gives a prick to the heart (not sure if used the right term). I'm not really good with these kind of conversation but I'll still voice my mind.

What MaxthonJeff said that  "I created maxthon to please myself in the first place" is probably a typical reply among developers. I'm not sure if you, sajphon, is a developer yourself but I've studied programming and have already tried building projects. While studying, my instructor gives me some tasks to build then I defy him by implementing features that I myself think could make the output better and that impresses him. On another case, I checked some others projects then thought to myself  "It could've been better" then tell them ways to improve their work but it was just a form of self-satisfaction. I bet they're thinking "easier said than done, I have to make a lot of adjustments to implement that".

Basically speaking, MaxthonJeff built Maxthon because he isn't satisfied with other browsers. Probably saying "I could do better" then he built and released it wherein other people finds convenience with what he built. He didn't build it just to please others. As for me, I wouldn't build something I don't want to just to please others. How can you be yourself if you build something just for others and not for yourself?

And @sajphon30522 hours usage, Member since January 12, 2013 (recorded in community). Me:  8575 hours usage, Member since January 21, 2014 (recorded in account).
I'm 1 year later and 21947 hours shorter than you. How come you have smaller contributions but bigger guts to cause a commotion here?

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@DARKSTORM I have actually studied software development. I own a development company and I am also a developer myself. I've buit multiple products that were just to please me. I've even took a shot at my own browser :D But all those were private, because if it's just about my pleasure, then it's just for me. But once you make your product public and you want it to be widespread, because it generates you revenue, you kinda sorta have to listen to your users. If you force your users into something a majority of the users don't care about, or don't even want, you are going to have hard time sustaning your profits and your community will loose faith in you and your product. And if you look here thoughout the forums, you will find that is exactly what is happening here.

Not enough of community communication and ignoring community requests is what angers the people that use maxthon. It angers me and i'm pretty sure it angers you as well. Based on what you've written you are maxthon loyalist as well. What would you rather have ? More half finished, half working blokchain products built into the browser, or reliable crashless browser that cares about security, privacy and speed? For me that is not even a question. I sure want maxthon to be successfull, widespread and to bring innovation. But perhaps to the fields where it matters.

And to answer your question. I may have a lot less topics / comments here on the forums, but i am present here almost every day. I read topics but i don't really feel the need to respond most of the times. But one of things that define me, is that I always speak my mind. And this is it. I feel that perhaps by letting Jeff know how community feels about this may knock some sense in him. And guts? What guts. There is nothing to be afraid of here. There are only few possible outcomes and none of it is anything to do with guts. Either Jeff speaks with some people and realizes he is wrong, or he books me a flight to china to speak with him personally about my concerns, or he ignores me, or I get my account banned. 

Neither of those will harm me in any way.

PS: I've went though my emails and found out i've registered my MX account back in 2009. That was the era of Maxthon 2.0. But i've been using it even sooner, back when it was called MyIE2, as far as i can recall, it was somewhere around 2005 - 2007 when I started using it. Since then i've used it for around 12hrs a day almost every day. I use only two browsers. Mathon for everyday browsing and main part of web development and Vivaldi for company related stuff, because Maxthon doesn't play nicely with our inner networking SSO/LDAP related stuff.

PPS: In your feature suggestion post here in this topic you've written about using Snap (Frequently used. Useful at all times). Even though Snap is one of the most polished features of Maxthon, I have found a replacement that has few usefull quirks. It's called ShareX and it can do all the same as MX Snap, but on top of that it can autoupload to FTP or image sharing sites. And you can bind it to multiple different hotkeys / keybinds to do different things. You can set which keybinds will to what quality or what type of snap and so on...

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typos fixed, inserted sharex reference.

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On 2/29/2020 at 7:27 PM, sajphon said:

"I created maxthon to please myself in the first place"... now you made me sad. With a single superficial sentence you wrote off all the years I've promoted maxthon left and right to a simple "I don't care about the users, all I care about is myself". You had chance here to say something that would bring the community together, instead you did this.

 

 

 

I think you have misunderstood Jeff's comment. 

I'm quite sure Jeff means that his initial intention of beginning to develop Maxthon (MyIE2) was simply to please himself in that it was only meant to be used by him. He was dissatisfied with browsers he was using at the time and thought he could build one to better suit his needs. In doing so he also built one that other people also enjoyed. How this could make you sad is beyond me (unless,of course, you misunderstood what he meant). :wink:

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Thanks for the clarification my friends. It’s not hard to comprehend. It’s actully a common sense in building good product. Facebook started as a mischief to rate college girls. Google started as an internal tool.

You can not design a product to please everyone, but always a certain kind of people, starting from yourself.

Back to topic, although not seen by most people, I believe blockchain can help us build a honest world ( I really mean it in my presentation) and also help users get back their data from companies. That’s why we will build MX6. 

But it does not mean we will abandon users who don’t care. MX6 will be faster, compatible with MX5 and more importantly, compatible with Chrome, which means no annoying ‘please change your browser’ message, and bring massive Chrome addons to Maxthon users. 

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@PHYR @MaxthonJeff thanks for the clarification. I still think there is much to think about when it comes to including it in the base browser, but I'll try tokeep calm and wait to see what the alpha / beta version will bring us.

@MaxthonJeff feel free to drop me a DM with pre-release once it's avaliable and i'll gladly test it and report back to the forums about what I honestly think about all of it.

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On 3/3/2020 at 2:31 AM, MaxthonJeff said:

Thanks for the clarification my friends. It’s not hard to comprehend. It’s actully a common sense in building good product. Facebook started as a mischief to rate college girls. Google started as an internal tool.

You can not design a product to please everyone, but always a certain kind of people, starting from yourself.

Back to topic, although not seen by most people, I believe blockchain can help us build a honest world ( I really mean it in my presentation) and also help users get back their data from companies. That’s why we will build MX6. 

But it does not mean we will abandon users who don’t care. MX6 will be faster, compatible with MX5 and more importantly, compatible with Chrome, which means no annoying ‘please change your browser’ message, and bring massive Chrome addons to Maxthon users. 

Do you know when will this happen?

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What is the status of adding this feature? This feature needs to come. Vivaldi browser has this feature.

 

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I was a big user of Maxthon 4, Maxthon 5 not so much. I hope with the upcoming Maxthon 6 I can find a home for my browsing needs. I really welcome that Maxthon will support Chome add-ons as there are some add-ons that I always install no matter the chromium based browser. Even Microsoft stopped fighting it's corners and concluded if you cannot win then join.

Currently I am using Opera and Chromium based Edge.

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10 hours ago, mings1 said:

Where can I download MX6 / Maxthon 6 ?

You need to be a tester.

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I'm watching the latest mx6 alphas, and I don't like the way it's going.

Basically, if you don't implement the features that defined maxthon, I don't know what will be the reason to choose this browser over any chrome version or derivatives (each one with its own ideas and that define its browser, example of vivaldi, opera etc, to name a few)

Losing faith for moments 😞

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13 hours ago, mings1 said:

how do I become a tester without  getting telegram

Hi there, I have added you to the tester group. Please do not leak test versions to anyone else.

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On 3/28/2020 at 4:18 AM, AaronX said:

Can I join, please...?

Hi AaronX, you have been added to the tester group. You could access Early Access to check the test version. Hope we can receive your feedback about our alpha version. 😊

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