ntzphyr

I was clicking "Internet Explorer help" instead of "About Internet Explorer"  Doesn't MS know the option is supposed to be on top like it is in Maxthon?

Dev

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Original posted by abc@home at 27-1-2009 17:26
The JS speed of IE8RC1 is even faster than IE8Beta2, which is alread 5-6 times faster than IE7. But I find a really big problem of IE8RC1 not in IE6/7/8Beta2.

With IE8RC1, all IE based browsers other than IE8RC1 (ie Maxthon, Avant,...) can only have 2 connections at a time. By default IE allows 2/4 connections to a server (can be changed) but allows several dozen simultaneously connections to different severs. But now you get only 2 connections no matter where you are connecting to. So the browser becomes much slower and will be completely stalled when there are 2 bad connections.

I strongly recommend against the installation of IE8RC1 if you want to use maxthon or any other IE based browsers not named IE8RC1.

Have you try this with new RC1 8.0.06001.18372 or old RC1 8.0.06001.18343?

I try number of connections with Maxthon and 8.0.06001.18372 and there are more than 2.

JarC

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Original posted by Direct2Brain at 2009-1-27 17:19
Maxthon 2 by default use the IE7 engine, for select the last IE8 RC engine is sufficient go to advanced options and click on "Use IE8 rendering" but then Max is much slower than before.

not quite...it'll use the IE8 engine if that's installed. what you mean is the 'mode' it will be in...IE7 compatible or IE8 mode.

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Original posted by abc@home at 2009-1-27 17:26
... I find a really big problem of IE8RC1 not in IE6/7/8Beta2.

With IE8RC1, all IE based browsers other than IE8RC1 (ie Maxthon, Avant,...) can only have 2 connections at a time. ...

You got that right...!

the forum is a perfect place to verify that you cannot get more than 2 (because its on a single host)

and here is a testpage to verify that even if using a CNAME trick, it'll still not be more than the 2 connections per host...
http://stevesouders.com/hpws/max-connections.php (go get a cup of coffee, it'll still be loading when you get back )

what is worth to be noted is that, even though with 12 virtualized hosts, where you would expect a connection total of 2x12=24 connections,  it is as if because of the requests all coming from a single testpage, they still get processed in a queue of 2 connections at a time, even the connections to the other hosts get blocked...so not only are you limited in the number of connections to a single host, this queueing effect also seems to cause connections to other hosts to be delayed...

do the same with IE8 and it will blaze through that last link as if it didn't have any images at all. (and skipping a couple because it also times out faster)

The forums main index comes in with about a total of 42-45 connections
the test page comes in with a total of 180 connections...

on IE8, the testpage loads faster than the forum page, and that is even accounting for the slower connection from my end to the forum

JarC

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Original posted by abc@home at 27-1-2009 17:26
Have you try this with new RC1 8.0.06001.18372 or old RC1 8.0.06001.18343?

RC1 8.0.06001.18372 here.

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Original posted by Dev at 2009-1-27 18:27
I try number of connections with Maxthon and 8.0.06001.18372 and there are more than 2.

As I asked in the other topic, but its better discussed here. what did you use to verify this?

I used two programs for this, Proxomitron and Fiddler

Proxomitron I use for the quick glance to see if I even get above 2. It has a built-in concurrent connection counter which shows me the total number of connections, however this is a total and not further split into a per-server total.
Here is where Fiddler comes into play, it does not directly show me the number of concurrent connections per server as a digital number, instead it goes one better, it shows me on a timeline when each connection starts and when it ends. And this I can do for selected requests, or for a parent and all related children requests.

I have posted below two screenshots of the timeline for the test page I mentioned earlier

The difference between Maxthon on IE8rc1 and IE8rc1


if the filenames aren't dead giveaways, left is IE, right is Maxthon
Notice also how IE times out on the responses (the image is shorter, aar of fewer connections)

Dev

//Removed from other thread:

I checked with this: http://www.mydigitallife.info/20 ... ctions-to-a-server/

PS: strange  http://stevesouders.com/hpws/max-connections.php
It is average 2x faster in Maxthon (6s) than IE8 RC1 (11s).

//edit: But in Fiddler2 I have got same results as you.
IMHO more important is real speed.

[ Last edited by Dev at 2009-1-28 00:34 ]

abc@home

This page http://stevesouders.com/hpws/max-connections.php is indeed strange. It is much faster in IE8 (beta2) than Firefox and Chrome, which is quite contradictory to real world browsing.

I have already uninstalled IE8RC1 and reinstalled IE8Beta2 so can't compare IE8RC1 and Maxthon+IE8RC1. But with only 2 connections possible, it is too vulnerable to complete browser stall (I experienced a lot before I tried to dig it).

Dev

The problem with max 2 connections is only when you use proxy, I dont use proxy and I dont have the problem.

UFO

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Original posted by Dev at 27-1-2009 19:27

Quote:

Original posted by abc@home at 27-1-2009 17:26
The JS speed of IE8RC1 is even faster than IE8Beta2, which is alread 5-6 times faster than IE7. But I find a really big problem of IE8RC1 not in IE6/7/8Beta2.

With IE8RC1, all IE based browsers other than IE8RC1 (ie Maxthon, Avant,...) can only have 2 connections at a time. By default IE allows 2/4 connections to a server (can be changed) but allows several dozen simultaneously connections to different severs. But now you get only 2 connections no matter where you are connecting to. So the browser becomes much slower and will be completely stalled when there are 2 bad connections.

I strongly recommend against the installation of IE8RC1 if you want to use maxthon or any other IE based browsers not named IE8RC1.

Have you try this with new RC1 8.0.06001.18372 or old RC1 8.0.06001.18343?

I try number of connections with Maxthon and 8.0.06001.18372 and there are more than 2.

can't maxthon do some kind of a workarround like IEpro? also, how can i know how many connections the browser has? i tried the link but i didn't understand it - do i have to see how many pictures are appearing together at the same time?

Dev

So would it be possible to see. If you have only maximal 2 connections, the images show slowly just after two.

For accurate test try: netstat -na command in command prompt or proxy monitoring like the Fiddler, when you can see exactly number of current connections. But Fiddler is proxy and with proxy is max number of connection just 2!

[ Last edited by Dev at 2009-1-28 16:25 ]

abc@home

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Original posted by Dev at 2009-1-28 23:22
...with proxy is max number of connection just 2!

I'm using proxomitron and so it could be the problem. Where do you get this information?

Yet this is not the case with IE6/7/8Beta2. And with IE8Beta2 again now I can easily get > 20 connections opening pages in the maxthon forums.

JarC

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Original posted by Dev at 2009-1-28 00:09
//Removed from other thread:

hadn't even thought of that, I'll cleanup mine too

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Original posted by Dev at 2009-1-28 16:22
But Fiddler is proxy and with proxy is max number of connection just 2!

Not quite, as you can see in the screenies, with both Proxomitron and Fiddler in the loop I still managed to get the 6 connections per server...

BTW> I've never had this with a proxy in between dropping back to two...

The bit about the 2 connections if a proxy is involved is in sofar correct that you do not get limited by the browser but rather by the proxy server. Since all your connections go first through the proxy, it could get overloaded real quick if it did not place limits on the concurrent connections to a single client. So the chance of this occuring when connecting through proxy is real and present...company proxies often are configured this way...

Personally I have never encountered this but then again, I rarely use external proxies, and all my local ones aren't doing any limiting. And in the case I do use external proxies, since these are known to be often slow, I use something like multiproxy to link to 4-8 proxies at the same time...spreading the load that way.

JarC

YES!

the FEATURE_CONTROL setting which allows you to get around this issue

HKCU\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Internet Explorer\Main\FeatureControl\FEATURE_MAXCONNECTIONSPERSERVER
HKCU\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Internet Explorer\Main\FeatureControl\FEATURE_MAXCONNECTIONSPER1_0SERVER

add a dword "maxthon.exe" and use it like you were used for the old style settings

same values have same effect as the default values in the default IE locations...yet now separate for each browser that wants to use them

a small registry file is added for your convenience, values are in hex, change to your liking
no longer needed, Maxthon now does this automatically.


BC? No time like the present to add this to MSC for IE8 users...as the standard locations do not work anymore, I fear the average user will find this more confusing than the old style hack, (also the above keys might be better created in the CURRENT_USER branch to accomodate per windows_user preferences and to also support per windows_user default browser settings.

UFO

ummm... can you please make a REG file? i'm just not sure what to add and what to set for it.for example, i cannot find the "FEATURE_MAXCONNECTIONSPERSERVER" .

UFO

thanks.

abc@home

Thanks.

In my case it seems that it is not only the connections per server being limited but the total connections are also limited to 2. Does this registry setting also change that?

ntzphyr

Thank you JarC, hope this helps, opening 3 forum pages too quickly freezes M2, task manager my only option!

JarC

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Original posted by abc@home at 2009-1-29 12:59
In my case it seems that it is not only the connections per server being limited but the total connections are also limited to 2. Does this registry setting also change that?

To be honest, I have no idea...

ntzphyr

I'm using ie8rc, it seems to have definitely helped, thanx again

Not using IE8 Standard Rendering Mode helps too

Edit 2: Gentlemen, we've got the WOW factor   

[ Last edited by ntzphyr at 2009-1-29 22:22 ]

Nick(6053)

I'm using IE7 & this happens to me as well. The reg patch didn't work. IE 7 won't even load pages.

MoMo

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Original posted by Nick(6053) at 3-6-2009 04:46 PM
I'm using IE7....

Perhaps that's the problem?